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IOM
Offers the most competitive racing at all levels.

RM or 10 Rater (both cover the one spot)
Just pure speed racing and the most fun.

A Class
True yacht racing.

RC Laser
The only true "One Design" available.

The choices above to me cover all bases for all levels. The IOM still allows for home built boats to be built that can compete at all levels through to World Championsip. Difficult to make components such as fins/bulbs/ rudders can be easily sourced, along with competitive hull & deck kits, all at reasonable cost. For the skipper who wishes to go with a turn key boat, these can also be sourced at costs commensurate to the amount of equipment, materials and labour time required to produce dependent on aspirations and budget.
Similar rings true for the RM, 10 Rater and RA classes.

The most important factors in the above classes is that they are not percieved as anything other than racing yachts if we wish to promote our sport to the full size group at Dinghy Shows. These classes offer the older dinghy sailor the kind of challenge he is looking for with quality used boats sourced easily through MYA websites and the likes of ebay etc, if a new build is not preferred.

My choice of the RC Laser is as mentioned through being the only true "One Design" class available. It is the only class that has kept a cap on outlay cost because of its one manufacturer/ supplier and is our sports most marketable window into the full sized world. Without going to the same levels of control, no other class can call itself remotely one design, expect to keep control of costs or have the perception of a completely level playing field for initial outlay. Could the design be better? Of course it could but until someone has a significantly large amount of funds behind them to develop and produce a better alternative, then it is the only boat that fits the bill.

As for going to carbon shroudless masts on IOMs?? Graham E has this spot on. A quick look on the SAILSetc website has 14 & 12mm carbon tubes in 1m lengths at a cost of close to double what hi-tensile alloy ones are. Now factor in epoxy to glue them, carbon tow to bind joints, sleeves to be added etc and then add a whole load of labour time for someone to do it for you. Hardly cheaper as these hi-modulus tubes would be the only tubes suitable for the job. Now then lets look at existing boats to see if they are structually sound enough to withstand the loads at deck level without shrouds. Possibly not?
As for reducing all up weight? Great way to obsolete a whole load of boats for what reason?
The IOM class rules have had a lot of detractors over the years as being too controlled. The sustained strength of the class worldwide and competitiveness of older well sailed designs shows that they are not all that bad.

Anyway, I am off RM racing...

BG]]> bgrcyachting Sat, 19 May 2012 12:24:12 +0100 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037
As with all sports, those who compete at the highest level tend to spend more on their equipment than the local competitor but this doesnt mean that the equipment is that much better it's just the amount they want to commit.

Indivi dual circumstances dictate what is considered a reasonable cost to compete but i am not sure how many club skippers would travel or compete at a higher level if they were all provided with a free BRitPOP!, Lintel MMX, Arrival, Fraktal etc and at local level i've seen homebuilds, self designs and the roughest looking boats beat boats costing several times more.

David Alston's comments on dissipation are probably the closest to reality, with modern work patterns, kids, (grandkids!) and the myriad of other hobbies that we all have less classes rather than more is probably the answer. The full size dinghy world should show us how not to take the sport forward.

Comin g back to the original post, if there were only 4 classes, what would they be........




]]> Ashbyroadeast Sat, 19 May 2012 09:45:36 +0100 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 David Sat, 19 May 2012 08:23:33 +0100 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037
Not sure what the £400 Triple Crown includes but am sure that the BritPOP! costs about 60% of the price that is in brackets in the previous post.]]> graham elliott Fri, 18 May 2012 22:59:41 +0100 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037
Now THERE is an idea. The Triple Crown as a One Design. The costs should be reasonable as the design was donated to the MYA.]]> jetpipe Fri, 18 May 2012 20:08:55 +0100 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037
Only two changes need to be made. A reduction in minimum overall weight to about 3.75 Kg (most boats now carry 250 to 400 grms of internal ballast and less weight equals better performance). The second change would be to allow stepped carbon masts 14/12 dia without shrouds this would simplify the boats without a major cost penalty.

David

David
]]> David Thu, 17 May 2012 11:08:04 +0100 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 Ashbyroadeast Wed, 16 May 2012 18:11:33 +0100 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037
Anyway,as was mentioned earlier, the ideal One Design boat does not exist. We need a very clever person to design it. It should be a bit over 1m to allow for a raked bow. It should be pretty with a choice of sail colours so that everybody wants one.

There should be at least twice as many registered boats as skippers as everyone should have at least two boats.

The answer to your last point is "for fun"]]> jetpipe Wed, 16 May 2012 16:02:19 +0100 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?5037 http://www.mya-uk-forum.org.uk/p/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?4938 Just goes to show that a home built balsa/glass IOM can fairly easily be built underweight. Now I need to design a hull to carry the extra lead



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